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January 22, 2015 - 12:15 pm
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Dear all,
What you see is a conversation between John Rimmer, Alberto Redondas, Kaisa Lakkala, Tomy Karppinen, Julian Gröbner, Veerle De Bock and Alkiviadis F. Bais corresponding to a question by Andrew Smedley.

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Dear Kaisa,

As a user (i.e. someone who will be downloading data), I would prefer the data in their final QA spectral state at the highest time available, and time-stamped for each data point. From this I can calculate doses and rates if needs be, and apply any action spectra that are relevant.

However as someone who would be uploading data, this raises another question. I was under the impression that the EUBREWNET database was intended as a way to apply a second check on the diagnostics of all instruments in a consistent way - I had not realised until now that any UV data uploaded would be available for download by other users. What controls and agreements will be put in place to ensure some gives the proper credit / co-authorship on any work based on the data they might download? Once data is uploaded who is considered the owner? I am sure these details probably aren't finalised yet, but I would be interested to know the final decision, and perhaps it would be useful to circulate them so that contributors are aware of them when uploading data.

Yours,
Andy Smedley
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Dear all,
thank you Andrew for addressing an important question concerning the ownership of the data uploaded into EUBREWNET.
I forward your message to the WG leaders, Alberto Redondas, Tomi Karppinen, Alkis Bais and Veerle de Bock, as well as to John Rimmer, so that they can further consider your questions.

Please look at the second paragraph of the forwarded message,

Best regards,
Kaisa Lakkala
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Hello all

I my oppinion the data policy of AERONET is sutable for EUBREWNET and we can use the same, the data already there is now only for demostration purposes and we dont make any use of that without agrrement of the the 'PI'.

(From the AERONET site)

Notice to users:
The public domain data you are about to download are contributed by the International AERONET Federation. Each site has a Principal Investigator(s) (PI) , responsible for deployment, maintenance and data collection. The PI has priority use of the data collected at the site. The PI is entitled to be informed of any other use of that site data. PI contact information can be found on data charts and in downloaded data files for each AERONET site.

Recommended guidelines for data use and publication:
Although journal paper authorship and acknowledgement is the domain of the senior author and no policy is universally applicable, the AERONET contributors ask that every practical attempt be made to honor the following general guidelines.

Using AERONET data:
Please consult with the PI(s) of the data to be used.

Referencing:
Always reference the appropriate key AERONET papers for any publications.

Publishing AERONET data from a 'few' sites:
Please consider authorship for the PI(s) and/or the following acknowledgement:

We thank the (Project/PI) for (its/theirs) effort in establishing and maintaining (site name(s)) sites.
Publishing data from 'many' sites:
A general acknowledgement is typically sufficient and may read:

We thank the (PI investigators) and their staff for establishing and maintaining the (#)sites used in this investigation.
However if the AERONET data are a principal component of the paper then co-authorship to PI's should be offered.

Alberto
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Hi all.

I think Alberto’s suggestion is a good starting point for EUBREWENET.

Cheers
Alkis
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Ultimately it will be a decision for the MC guided by the outcomes of WG4 on access rules. All contributors have the opportunity to be part of these discussions and should do so in order to encompass all view points. There is no value in being passive. Instead of asking what will happen we should encourage everyone to state what they would like to happen!
Having said that, I also agree with Alberto and Alkis.

John
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Dear all,
I added Julian as recipient, so he can also follow the discussion.
I am sorry for my mistake, forgetting to include Julian already in the first email.

Best regards,
Kaisa
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I agree that Alberto's suggestion of following the AERONET guidelines seems sensible. It is what I would expect both as a data supplier and if downloading data as an end-user. In some ways it is little more than a reminder to give due and proper credit for data monitoring, and the fact that PIs are responsible for data, but I think it is important that it is there.

Yours,
Andy
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Dear All

This is an important issue for everyone in that if all network members are expected to submit their data, they need to be reassured over ownership concerns and data access rules.

With the time approaching for the database to become live, I think it would be a good idea to transfer this topic to the forum so everyone has a chance to comment.

It will be better to have it sorted out beforehand than to have it cause problems after implementation because of non-agreement. We can then take a final official vote in May.

Cheers
John
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